Gestalt Avatars

Sartre would disagree with the idea that any view, even one that involves being seen as a group, can tracend it’s existential isolation…

I’d allow “the Lover,” but not the lovers. That being said, avatars of the Lover might gravitate toward each other, much like Necessary Servants, or Warriors who share a cause, or the hypothetical Merciless Beauty (on the site).

The masses just aren’t capable of truly experiencing a multi-perspective ideal, not strongly enough to bring about group archetype… at least that’s what they say, anyway.

I think that once you’ve been ejected from the clergy you get pushed out of the range of normal humanity so you can’t be an Avatar or reascend. I’m sure you get creepy powers and you could probably help send up new people to stack the clergy but your place in the universe is no longer as a representative of the will of the masses.

Never seen “Fly to Heaven?” but even in that as I understand it is about the masses. Statosphere clearly states that clergy members are there at the whim of the masses. The job of the clergy is to give people the world they deserve, the world they secretly want. By attention and belief humanity elects those who will remake the world.

Now for the stuf that isn’t in the books and is just my opinion which is what I think we’re having a false disagreement about. I think that once you’ve been booted out of the IC you are no longer a person in the way you were before. You no longer get a vote and can no longer hold office. You know how the game works and so you could try to stack the clergy better than most if you wanted to but you’ll never be let back in.

Ya I admit that it isn’t in the book and that it is my interpretation of what would happen. It was the anti-archetype bit that sent me think down this path. I’m not saying it is wrong to have them get back in but I’d prefer them to be a little off from most people.

As for the main point of the thread which has been totally lost the main problem with multi-person Archetypes is that people will see the two individuals as that, individuals. They need to be seen as the same person, IMO, to Ascend as the same Archetype. If you trick people into thinking you are both one person and both of you happen to be channeling an Archetype or trying to make one, well that drifts away from your origional question and into the place where head aches come from.

I think each multi-person Archetype can be decomposed into component Archetypes. I do however think it is interesting to allow Avatars to interact in strange ways. Like if you get a Maiden, a Mother and a Crone all in one place you can get prophecy out of them. Or if you get a Trickster and a Two-Faced Man on the same side you’d better watch out or else you may become their Fool. I think that certain sets of mythic interactions that have a strong tendancy to play out when you bring lots of Archetypes into a situation are neat.