Entropo-Adept Fool-Avatar Crossover?

  • reptile2k1
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    Hmmm… After reading some more in 1st Ed. I am considering a Entropomancer-Adept/The Fool-Avatar crossover…

    Would you allow something like that (as a GM) or is this just a fit of muchkinism on my behalf?

    They just fit together so perfectly… And it could save my testicles as well!

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  • M121
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    I’d allow it but I think they fit perfectly also. Oh and you’d be having at least some problems with the two taboos.

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  • M121
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    But I play 2nd

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  • carsten
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    hm, don’t know. crossing adepts/avatars seems not to be a good thing to do according to the UA philosophy. but on the other hand, as a GMC you can whatever you want.

    cheers,
    carsten

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  • URNOVI
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    Actually, Adept-Avaters are perfectly permissible, hell it’d be massively hypocritical of them to say “you shouldn’t be an Adept and an Avatar” and *then* give us the Freak, Jeeter, Gerlinde Unger and the half dozen or so other Adept/Avatars that exist as canon NPCs.

    Where the Fool/Entropomancer thing becomes sticky is with the second channel (or is it the third…) which allows you to avoid the consequences of taking risks. IMO I wouldn’t allow you to get charges from risks you avoided with this channel (basically it gives you free Bulletproof Chutzpah, and that spell stops you getting charges while it’s up)

    The problem with a Fool/Entropomancer crossover is that while they *are* both about walking blithely into danger, they’re about doing it in completely different ways.

    The Fool walks into danger because he knows no better, the Entropomancer walks into danger because he *does* know better. These two paths aren’t terribly compatible. That being said, there is a get out. Because an Avatar doesn’t have to actually *believe* in his path, you can combine the two by **looking** like you’re walking blithely into danger when actually you’re building charges. This keeps you on the path of the Fool and of the Entropomancer. However the moment the Fool starts protecting you from danger, you start breaking Taboo for Entropomancy.

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  • carsten
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    @urnovi: oops, seems like i have remembered the thing incorrectly. but personally… well, i just don’t like the feeling of putting avatars and adepts together. don’t know… but this is just my personal opinion.

    carsten

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  • URNOVI
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    They *do* say that the two are often incompatible, and there *is* the bit where they talk about separate Avatar and Adept undergrounds (actually, I’m not a terribly big fan of that section of the book, I think it implies more organisation than UA needs) but it is definately *possible* to be both

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  • Danyaell
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    I personnally wouldn’t allow it. Avatars and Adepts gather charges in very different ways. As an Avatar, you pretend, you play a role that most people think it’s true and then you get the charges. As an Adept, you are obsessive, your world view is distorted and your power comes from this obssesion.
    Well, that seems reasonable to me, and don’t you think it is a bit overpowering to follow both paths? You just can’t get rid of your life obssesion just to pretend you are the perfect stereotype.

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  • reptile2k1
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    @Danyaell: Errrrr… Well, at least according to 1st Ed. Avatars do not accumulate any charges, as they don’t need them to perform their magick. Your Avatar skill is also not required to be your obsession skill!

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  • Danyaell
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    I’m really sorry, what I meant with charge acquisition for avatars was their Channels. They get their powers pretending to be some archetype.
    Adepts ARE obsessive and Avatars DON’T NEED to be. Anyways, their power comes from different points of view. Adepts see the world like their obssession and can make magick. Avatars know that they can get powerful immitating stereotypes.
    I think it is more clear know, sorry for the mess up, you are correct regarding charge accumulation. UA2 is just like that (I’ve read both editions).
    I wouldn’t allow it for these reasons.

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  • sophist
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    On another note: IMO,
    Bibilomancer and Scholar would be
    a perfect fit. Their Taboos even
    overlap.

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  • thanthos
    Participant

    An avatar doesn’t have to know that he’s following a path: hence the Naked Goddess and a whole lot of other unwitting avatars.

    I would allow it, but that avatar/adept wouldn’t get too far down the path of the Fool because he can’t mimic the perfect stereotype all that well since he’s obssessed with something else. Only the truly obssessed (ergo, the truly persistent, stubborn, get-away-from-me-you-fucking-bastard types) would be going anyway too far down that route.

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